Posts by Trevor Scott

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In need of some help with quote gathering

by Eyes Open in

it's a long story, but i've spent days and days solid writing and quoting for a very important letter, and i could do with some help from anyone who knows their way around wt stuff as i'm out of time.. i need to quote, preferably without any extra comment, wt stuff that shows circular "new light" or flip-flopping.

generation?

other central doctrine?.

Trevor Scott

::Also need to respond to 'only JW's glorify Jehovah's name'.

I typically make the point that "Jehovah" is not and never was God's name, so the JW's obsession with the word is really inconsequential. Many dictionaries correctly point out that "Jehovah" is simply a made up word, being the transliteration of the Tetragramaton (YHWH) using vowel points from a completely different word. Imagine stripping all the vowels out of your name and replacing them with vowels from some other word. Would it still be your name?

Jehovah
1530, Tyndale's erroneous transliteration of Heb. Tetragramaton YHWH, using vowel points of Adhonai "my lord" (see Yahweh). Used for YHWH (the full name being too sacred for utterance) in four places in the Old Testament in the K.J.V. where the usual translation lord would have been inconvenient; taken as the principal and personal name of God. The vowel substitution was originally made by the Masoretes as a direction to substitute Adhonai for "the ineffable name." European students of Heb. took this literally, which yielded L. JeHoVa (first attested in writings of Galatinus, 1516). Jehovah's Witnesses "member of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society" first attested 1933; the organization founded c.1879 by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916); the name from Isa. xliii:10.

"Jehovah." Online Etymology Dictionary. Douglas Harper, Historian.

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BEST VIDEO ON JWS

by badboy in

jw
friends

any nominations?.

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Trevor Scott

Just remembered this one. Who needs college anyway?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciZlsMWkFiU

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BEST VIDEO ON JWS

by badboy in

jw
friends

any nominations?.

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Trevor Scott

Stay alive 'til 75......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIEZx74P5ck

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In need of some help with quote gathering

by Eyes Open in

it's a long story, but i've spent days and days solid writing and quoting for a very important letter, and i could do with some help from anyone who knows their way around wt stuff as i'm out of time.. i need to quote, preferably without any extra comment, wt stuff that shows circular "new light" or flip-flopping.

generation?

other central doctrine?.

Trevor Scott

::concrete examples of the WT saying only JW's will survive armageddon.

*** w89 9/1 p. 19 par. 7 Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium ***

Only Jehovah’s Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the “great crowd,” as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil.

*** w83 2/15 p. 12 You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth—But How? ***

Similarly, Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.

Trevor.

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In need of some help with quote gathering

by Eyes Open in

it's a long story, but i've spent days and days solid writing and quoting for a very important letter, and i could do with some help from anyone who knows their way around wt stuff as i'm out of time.. i need to quote, preferably without any extra comment, wt stuff that shows circular "new light" or flip-flopping.

generation?

other central doctrine?.

Trevor Scott

I wrote an article a couple years ago that discussed the Society's doctrinal flip-flopping. Specifically, their position on the "higher powers" ("superior authorities") and the parable of the sheep and the goats. In both cases, the Society abandoned a doctrine that they had ALREADY CLAIMED CAME FROM GOD AS "NEW LIGHT" and went back to a doctrine they had ALREADY DEBUNKED AS FALSE.

The Society's doctrinal flip-flopping is contrasted with their claim that they have not gone back to previous points of view:

*** w81 12/1 p. 27 par. 2 The Path of the Righteous Does Keep Getting Brighter ***

At times explanations given by Jehovah’s visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view. But this has not actually been the case.

http://www.geocities.com/thewatchtowerstudy/tacking.htm

Trevor.

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Timing Christ's Presence

by Ultimate Reality in

startfragment.

obviously, this is an ongoing discussion.

in a past post (which was so popular, there were 0 replies) i mentioned a book by james stewart russell: the parousia: the new testament doctrine of our lord's second coming, which was written in 1878. the book is a discussion of the new testament as it relates to the subject of the parousia or christ's presence.

Trevor Scott

Interesting indeed. Thank you for posting.

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Could the "Memorial" night and number of partakers be all fake?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

faithful and discreet slave, a distinct class of people comprising the remaining ones of the 'anointed[1]' 144,000[2], or "the remnant"[3] that is "appointed over" others to "give them their food at the proper time", based on their interpretation of matthew 24:45 ("a faithful and wise servant" kjv).. .

each year at the annual "memorial" only the anointed class of members partake of the emblems.

everyone else is an observer.. did you ever think that the memorial is only a display to keep their authority over the rank and file ?

Trevor Scott

I don't believe the published number of partakers is accurate. The number went down previously because the Watchtower Society wanted the number to go down, because it provided them with some "evidence" for the nearness of the end. Now the number is going up because the Society WANTS it to go up. Why? One possibility is that artificially raising the number of partakers provides the WTS with a means of doing away with the 1935 cutoff year for anointed.

Given the fact that the Governing Body knows full well their prophesied "end" is NOT just around the corner, they needed to do away with the 1935 year. If they didn't get rid of the 1935 cutoff they'd eventually run out of anointed in the same way that they ran out of the "1914 generation". Running out of anointed means no more "faithful and discreet slave", and where is that concept in their end-time doctrine? The entire Watchtower religion/publishing company is built on the foundation of the chosen "faithful and discreet slave". No memorial partakers means no slave means no governing body means no Watchtower religion.

When the 1914 generation dwindled to the point of no return, the WTS dumped the date. The 1935 generation has approached the same point. By artificially raising the number of partakers, the Society can then point at the increase in partakers as "evidence" that 1935 was not the cutoff after all. Note:

*** w07 5/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***

Hence, especially after 1966 it was believed that the heavenly call ceased in 1935. This seemed to be confirmed when almost all who were baptized after 1935 felt that they had the earthly hope. Thereafter, any called to the heavenly hope were believed to be replacements for anointed Christians who had proved unfaithful. Without a doubt, if one of the anointed unrepentantly falls away, Jehovah does call another individual to take his place. (Romans 11:17-22) However, the number of genuine anointed ones who have become unfaithful is likely not large. On the other hand, as time has gone by, some Christians baptized after 1935 have had witness borne to them that they have the heavenly hope. (Romans 8:16, 17) Thus, it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends.

So the Society points to the (artificial) increase in partakers as evidence that the calling of anointed did not end in 1935: "Thus, it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends." This opens the door for more anointed, which extends the collective lifetime of the "faithful and discreet slave" and by extension the governing body.

My two cents.

Trevor.

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A truly creepy 2007 public talk by Ciro Aulicino - You Will Be With Me in Paradise

by Tatiana in

i searched for this here and didn't find any posts about it.

i just found this while searching for info as i was debating a jw on another site.

this is the most mind-blowing, spaced-out, insane bunch of mess i've ever heard.

Trevor Scott

You can also find this talk on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwA9KX5WJTM

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Saving Jw's......

by AK - Jeff in

i was running a scenario in my head that might work in some cases to help a jw or jw family to leave the organization.

it is pretty elaborate, and you might have to tell a white lie or two to make it work.. you formulate a letter similar to this:.

dear pastor blake [i would use this to throw them off, by them assuming that i have misunderstood the structure of the faith].

Trevor Scott

Good idea Jeff. I like it.

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Did you know? Jah and Jesus are present invisibly at the meetings.

by Trevor Scott in

looking for thoughts on this statement.

given that wt doctrine holds that jah is not omnipresent, and jesus is of course just a lowly angel who doesn't even have "holy spirit" at his disposal let alone omnipresence, how can it be said they are "present invisibly" at the meetings?.

since they are not omnipresent and can't be at every meeting, how can it be said that by not attending meetings jws are "snubbing them"?.

Trevor Scott

fts, my bad. I misunderstood when you said "As a jw". Your observations about the JWs are spot on.

Gordy, good point. Jehovah's Witnesses certainly aren't gathered together in Christ's name.

Peace.